Jan 12, 2017 at 2:29 PM -
English:
or even later in life
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:30 PM -
English:
That and the fact that I cannot actually look at the study
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:30 PM -
English:
i can only look at the abstract
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM -
theLumberJack:
I did not smoke weed until i was in my 20s
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM -
theLumberJack:
I started drinking at 18 though
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM -
English:
I didnt start smoking until I was 25 almost 26
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM -
TimeCrush:
"It looks like smoking pot can lower your tax bracket." I'm not versed well enough to call out exactly what type of fallacy we have here, but lol @ fallacy.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:33 PM -
English:
and the abstract and the article both speak to the relationship of smoking as an adolescent and the harmful effects it has on your IQ
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:33 PM -
English:
but not the long term effects smoking has if you start after your brain has gone through more development
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:34 PM -
English:
So I find your blanket statement that "Marijuana is harmful"
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:34 PM -
English:
to be partially true
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM -
theLumberJack:
I am curious to see if my country will legalize it this year
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:35 PM -
TimeCrush:
I'll lay myself out under the bus anecdotally, I started smoking at 15 and my memory is absolutely shot, so yes there are harmful side-effects.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:36 PM -
TimeCrush:
Most of it is stuff from before then, and a lot of it afterwards is associated through emotion. IE, I don't remember what happened, but I know how I felt then and can infer what happened usually.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:38 PM -
TimeCrush:
But I mean, I'm not sure how I feel about the whole IQ thing. I scored high enough on my ACTs to warrant grants.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:38 PM -
TimeCrush:
3 years deep into regular smoking
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:39 PM -
English:
There are also some noted limitations on that study. They are relying on the test subjects to accurately recall how much and how often and when they started smoking week sometimes years later
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:39 PM -
English:
http://www.rjbf.com/PNAS_Meier.pdf
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:43 PM -
Statboy:
its obviously worse an adolescent while your brain is still developing.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:44 PM -
Statboy:
to TC, it puts you in a lower tax bracket because of the first link i posted, which show the side effects are memory impairment, lack of motivation, and depression
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM -
VaultBot: and wee-fee oh my god. this mouse is amazing.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM -
TimeCrush:
I'd like to think I was a piece of shit before I started smoking pot /s
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM -
Statboy:
its those three things that cause people to either not get promoted or get smaller raises
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM -
TimeCrush:
I guess I felt comfortable shaving a bit off the top from those categories knowing my competition.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM -
Statboy:
there is a cart horse thing there. Are you smoking because you're depressed and lazy or are you depressed and lazy from what you smoke?
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM -
TimeCrush:
I don't feel depressed or lazy, and I smoke.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:47 PM -
Statboy:
just think how much better you'd feel if you didn't smoke 
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:47 PM -
TimeCrush:
I received a promotion in under six months of employment at my new job, excelling past others who have been here for years.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:47 PM -
TimeCrush:
I feel like I'd be an asshole. Like, dramatically different.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:48 PM -
Statboy:
so taking a medication that causes depression, you claim makes you not depressed? You know how that sounds right?
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:48 PM -
TimeCrush:
That has a possible side-effect of depression.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM -
TimeCrush:
I mean, lets not pull any punches here you've interacted with me at my damn near lowest
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:50 PM -
VaultBot: nah, i try to avoid much conversation there.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:50 PM -
Statboy:
I have a theory, that its not depression but apathy that is caused by marijuana. This is just my experience not anything technical. Its harmful to not face the things in life that you need to face, which is the result of apathy
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:51 PM -
TimeCrush:
I wish we had more of a 'control' to see what other factors are at play in my life to use as a case study.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:51 PM -
Hexalan:
does the study have evidence of causation or a correlation?
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:52 PM -
VaultBot: 380 total for the gigantic silver can
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:52 PM -
TimeCrush:
I think longtime smokers have a harder time forming bonds with others, even family.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM -
TimeCrush:
Not to say that the marijuana complicates the relationship, but that they don't feel the same pull of attachment that others do.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM -
English:
The study noted that for people who started smoking in their adolescents had a discernable decline in their IQ over time
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM -
Statboy:
We have some causation, in that we know THC affects the normal function of the brain
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM -
English:
and TC they also noted your Emotional Intelligence is most likely effected even more by marijuana usage as an adolescent
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM -
Statboy:
but we don't know enough about the brain to have complete causation
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:54 PM -
TimeCrush:
I'm not even sure what emotional intelligence is.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:54 PM -
English:
The Study DID NOT look at individuals who started smoking after 18
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:54 PM -
TimeCrush:
Quick google search says similar to empathy
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:54 PM -
English:
"the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one's emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically."
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:55 PM -
TimeCrush:
Struggle with expressing my emotions yes, but can identify and handle those relationships in spades.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
Statboy:
It stunts brain development if your brain is still developing. It still adversely affects your memory if your fully grown English
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
English:
please link study to that assertion
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
TimeCrush:
It actually is a topic I've discussed with my SO, how I can be the life of the party and get everybody rallied, but not enjoy it or get anything out of it.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
Statboy:
The first link I posted
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
TimeCrush:
Hell, my job revolves around emotional manipulation.
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
Statboy:
here's another one though
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM -
English:
sorry I only saw one
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:57 PM -
Statboy:
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:57 PM -
English:
I do not trust Government Sites on Marijuana because they have an unbiased interest in it remaining illegal
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:57 PM -
Statboy:
the first one I posted just listed the 9 known side effects of marijana
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:58 PM -
Statboy:
scroll up to the one from leaf science that i posted
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:58 PM -
VaultBot: anyd my phone rotates 360 degrees. so no matter which way to go back on your word?
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:58 PM -
English:
the DEA in particular is horridly unbias in its approach to marijuana
Jan 12, 2017 at 2:58 PM -
English:
yeah I am reading that one now
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:05 PM -
VaultBot: also vintage the vaultbot?
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:05 PM -
English:
as far as memory according to leaf it basically says the same thing. Adolescent use seems to be more detrimental.
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:06 PM -
English:
The depression symptom is basically the same thing. No source linked for post adolescent first marijuana usage
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM -
English:
and it affects adolescents noticeably
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM -
VaultBot: it goes along with specially designed movies. so when the lady is giving you a pleasure model?
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM -
English:
Paranoia is inconclusive
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM -
English:
"But the study also revealed that paranoia wasn’t a direct result of THC. Instead, paranoia seemed to be a byproduct of other effects of cannabis (such as depression) and the feeling of having an unusual experience."
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:08 PM -
English:
Lung problems is obvious. you are inhaling smoke. its not good for you
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:09 PM -
English:
but that is pretty much limited to actually lighting marijuana on fire
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:09 PM -
English:
that isn't the case with things such as vaporizers or edibles
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM -
English:
and then the first three symptoms are all short term ones
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM -
English:
dizziness, dry mouth, and increased appetitie
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:10 PM -
English:
appetite*
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:38 PM -
theLumberJack:
vaporizers are nice
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM -
VaultBot: even vaultbot is on its way out apparently at the end of the year
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM -
English:
i agree
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM -
English:
you get to double dip if you buy the nice vaporizer that uses dry herb
Jan 12, 2017 at 3:55 PM -
English:
because then you can bake it into an edible
Jan 12, 2017 at 4:03 PM -
VintagePC:
Dirt showdown free on humble store
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:29 PM -
VintagePC:
you seem to be lost
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:29 PM -
VintagePC:
/r/trees is on Reddit
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM -
VaultBot: blazin sadles confirmed.
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM -
theLumberJack:
lol
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:52 PM -
VintagePC:
dohoohoh
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:52 PM -
VintagePC:
my ninja invisibility now becomes "greater" so I don't show up when I attack
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:52 PM -
theLumberJack:
i can also do that now
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:52 PM -
VintagePC:
let the sneak attack damage train roll
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM -
VintagePC:
this could be up to 90 rounds a day of sneak attack damage
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM -
VintagePC:
booyah
Jan 12, 2017 at 5:56 PM -
VintagePC:
next level is improved threat
Jan 12, 2017 at 6:11 PM -
Statboy:
remember, your enemies are improving as well
Jan 12, 2017 at 6:11 PM -
VintagePC:
ahem
Jan 12, 2017 at 6:11 PM -
VintagePC:
STAB THROUGH THE DR
Jan 12, 2017 at 6:14 PM -
Statboy:
or have somebody bring an adamantine weapon
Jan 12, 2017 at 8:25 PM -
SoL DarkLord:
I miss playing a behemoth fighter. though you guy's never see it. My fighter only misses on nat 1's. and can easily deal 100 damage per turn.
