Discussion in 'General TF2C Discussion' started by Menoly 2, Aug 5, 2022.
I think Degroot Keep is incompatible with TF2C due to the fact the map was originally designed with certain unlocks in mind that aren't in the mod such as demoknight and crusader's crossbow.
Personally, I believe Degroot Keep is flawed because of the existence of the Huntsman, making all of the classes hard-countered by a semi-competent sniper using the Huntsman. The Huntsman is even more powerful with the fact that there are places to light your Huntsman arrows on fire to essentially one-shot 4 of the 9 classes. The choke points are horrible, especially on Control Point C. The singular entrance to the RED base makes for Huntsman spam as if it were Overwatch. I know that the game mode is supposed to be for fun, but it is obvious that the majority do not like the map when half the server leaves once the map loads onto Degroot. The server dies because the people who do not want to play the map join on a different server. Yes, RTV exists, but it requires ~75% of the players to Rock the Vote that is is uncommon to happen. If people want to play Degroot Keep, they can simply boot up Live TF2 that also has the demoknight.
I'll bring this up with the TF2C Devs - IIRC it is only present in the "Standard" servers and for those we generally defer to their requests/guidelines on how they would like to present the game.
Pls remove it this is the worst map of the whole map rotation. Boring and incompatible with tf2c
Could be redeemable with jump pads to catapult over the walls, but currently really dire to play on with only 1 entrance to the last cap.
I've received approval to remove it and the change should begin rolling out shortly.
Thanks for the input everyone!
Wait holy shit it actually got removed
Holy shit a dream that come true. Thx for listening the community
Our lord and savior has done it
HALLELUJAH BABYYY ♥️
In all of the times that I have nominated this map, and I can look through my hundreds of hours of recordings, I can count the number of times that the server has died on one hand. If the server dies, it is more likely to happen on a map such as Dustbowl, Junction, or any other map with a long, painful objective. Furthermore, there are a number of times that the server decides to RTV past the first 10 or so minutes, as occasionally, there is no easy way to balance the particular teams that are playing.
The primary reason that I quite like Degroot is that it is the only map that feels like a true adrenaline rush, with nothing at distance to worry about but some fairly inaccurate huntsman arrows that are fairly easy to avoid (again, I have played very few matches where the huntsman is unbeatable), and one truly monumental achievement to storm the castle, as it is very difficult to turn the tide once that has happened, further increasing pressure to keep BLU out.
However, what probably frustrates most, but delights me, is that there is no one winning strategy, leading to potentially endless replayability, and looking to capitalize on the other team's mistakes. Furthermore, there is no demoknight crutch waiting to launch over the walls and steamroll the team with speed, reach, and health, which frustrated me the few times I have played it on live TF2.
I know that I stand as either one of few, or as the only one that holds this opinion (and rather infamous for it, I admit), and I am nearly certain that it is too little, too late, but I would like to leave one last thought on the table:
If it were really such a bad map as it stands, why do the servers vote for it, even when the largest proponent (me) is not playing? There have been a few occasions that I will log in after a couple of days off, and I can join a match of DeGroot on a VF4 server, and most seem to enjoy it. Rather, it is the few who are experienced or skilled that are frustrated that they cannot play their typical tactics.
#savedegrootkeep They really do this but keep arena flask in the map pool. What a shame.
Shoutout to everyone that wants Degroot off the rotation, I support 100%
My other question is: why does everyone feel that it needs to be taken off? It is never forced onto anyone, and I am not running around trying to get other stuff that I don't like banned. That's a part of life: living with the bad and enjoying the good.
Degroot being removed made my day!
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